Saab has signed a contract and received an order for the Airborne Early Warning and Control solution Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C. By 2030, we will have quite a number of 5th gen fighters in our region. It’s the fighter’s LO features together with various other factors that delivers the results. It works when it’s operating as part of a networked environment. 3 damaged by terrorist attack. Saab will carry out the work in Gothenburg, and other places in Sweden. ”. F-111 was such case where it worked for the USAF but have to be reworked into the F-14 for the USN, “For me it’s “hardly” surprising that the F-35 has been hit by various issues”. What do you want for our future MRCA around 2030-2035? What I pointed is just a plausible scenario which makes the advantages of Hawkeye option more obvious. When radar cannot detect the F-35, it is almost like you are blind, you dont know where your opponent is. Maybe but if we look at past programmes that were just as ambitious; they also suffered from their share of technical issues, delays and overruns. But stealth is only one quality. … Irony is when you claim we lack the “experience” or “infrastructure” to operate the F-16 but have operated more complex aircraft for years now., but now you don’t want to talk about it. Note that I’m not suggesting we need a LO aircraft now or that it has to be the F-35; only that at one point in the future we’ll have to go for a current gen platform in other to avoid block obsolescence. Both USN and USAF rejected the F 35 concept from the beginning but the LM lobby is very strong in the Congress so there you go. Melayu Ketinggalan – “Clearly you have not been following all the mishaps that LM are covering up in regards to the F35 debacle.””. Please re-read carefully the defence news article. F-16, F-111, Tornado, Starfiighter, etc) that was not hit by technical difficulties, cost overruns, delays, etc. Falcon is 46 years old. Later reports identified that customer as Saudi Arabia. Unless our military is seamlessly integrated with the us military like Japan, It would probably be much more easier if we go for non-us AWACS system. The United Arab Emirates is also a customer of Saab products. Variante militaire Saab 340 Erieye. Obviously we can’t afford to buy the F-35 (nobody even said we can or we should), and obviously we have for many years operated several more expensive fighter types than the F-16. that’s the fly away price of the aircraft. Why on earth would you want the F 35 for RMAF? Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C provides Airborne Early Warning & Control and the rapid performance required to make the right decisions in time. Gripen C-series. The global 6000, is an upgraded global express business jet that is currently in TUDM fleet. As per Saab press release. It’s not the F-35’s “stealthy” features that makes it different but various factors; namely the fact that incorporates stuff not available on legacy platforms and the fact that it’s intended to be operated as part of a integrated network also comprising new assets. The order value is 1.553 billion SEK ($157.7 million). Firdaus – “Still years before we need this kind of platform””. http://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/09/06/northrop-grumman-secures-164m-contract-to-modify-hawkeye-aircraft-for-japan/, ” …the total procurement cost for Japan for the four E-2Ds to $633 million, not inclusive of engineering and other related costs. I think the F-35 is too expensive for us. Swedish defence company Saab has produced the airborne early warning & control system ERIEYE for total control of the battlefield, & airspace. SHAH ALAM: New contract for Saab 2000 AEWC. – same spareparts for common items like tires, brakes, engines etc. And its even carrier-rated. Meaning the USAF has to rely on F-35 for more tasks than was intended, including high end air superiority tasks for which the F-22 was intended. As a result the Navy pursued a JSF + F/A-18E force structure. This website requires Javascript to be enabled. It has unprecedented ability to collect, organise and distribute information to other users, which could be anything from other aircraft to ground combat units, F-35s belonging to other countries, CEC equipped ships, land based missile batteries and so on. Saab’s offering to Finland includes advanced Electronic Warfare systems, comprising of a newly developed Electronic Attack Jammer Pod and a decoy missile system. UAE has a smaller sea area than malaysia to look for, which would be ideal for them to have both AWACS and MPA capability in one platform. SAAB 2000 3D Model. This was stated by Pakistan Air Force (PAF) … Sorry for the comment, just want your article to be more accurate. “low observable” (a better word than stealth which itself isn’t a panacea) platforms designed from the onset to be operated at a systems level as opposed to a platform level. Air warfare is no longer about which platform has the radar with the longest range or the one which has the best performing ordnance; it’s about who has the better SA: something which hasn’t changed from the days of the Red Baron. Comment faire ? ASM “The JSF concept itself was quite ambitious; a common airframe for all services, stealthy, cheap enough to be procured in large numbers (to replace the F-16s) by the US and its allies. Azlan – You went all the way to rebutt what I had said only to conclude in your last paragraph that in the end you suggest Malaysia doesn’t need the F 35. For me it’s surprising that the F-35 has been hit by various issues. I believe the US was hoping to replicate commercial success of the F-16 back in the 90s to offset the unit cost. All press releases. Share it with your friends! Accidents et incidents. That wasn’t the case as LM found out the difficulty in designing an aircraft that could meet the wildly different requirements of the USAF, USN and USMC. Whether we can eventually afford it or not is another matter. In early October 2010, Saab Group announced an SEK 4.5 billion (about $671.5 million) contract to supply its Saab 2000 airborne early warning and control system (AEW&C), which includes “a Saab 2000 aircraft” (singular), to an undisclosed customer. Deliveries will be made between 2020 and 2023. The JSF concept itself was quite ambitious; a common airframe for all services, stealthy, cheap enough to be procured in large numbers (to replace the F-16s) by the US and its allies. usd 40 million for 2x used vip global 6000s. As you said japan is already an existing Hawkeye operator, and most of its current support systems for E-2C can be reused for the E-2D. SAAB has provided plenty of EW systems for Malaysia, including our EW threat library system and training. F 35 not only is prohibitively expensive to procure but it is also expensive to maintain especially regarding the stealth coating and it works only when it is accompanied by a secondary jet fighter. The JSF was intended to be a relatively numerous and affordable workhorse aircraft, filling the lower end of a high-low mix in with the F-22. There are lots of parallels. So a country’s ability to operate the F-35 is not decided only by whether it can afford it or handle the technical complexity, but mainly whether the services can make the organisational changes to fully utilise its capabilities. AM – Yes it is strange even to me why Australia opted for the F 35 but then again both Australia and UK has never operated the F 16 beforehand so it all comes down to the US lobby and knowing those 2 are strong allies in past US wars. 4) AWACS in the shape of global 6000 erieyes. We can and should buy cheaply available planes to tide us for the meantime but our future big ticket buy should be something that wouldn’t be obsoleting in the next couple decades, the reason why I had disagreed getting either 4.5gens Rafale or Typhoon or Super Hornet. It would have been less of headache if they went for different designs but with commonality with one other (engines, avionics, etc). Please note that even tho the USN has the F 35 C then why the heck are they still ordering Super Hornets Block 3 for the Navy and USAF operates the F 35 A but they’re still using both F 16s and the F 15 Es and have ordered the F 15 X. ”, “Stealthy aircrafts are needed for countries that wants to attack/invade other countries such as USA and its Western coalitions for oil and its mineral sources.”. ““F 35 not only is prohibitively expensive to procure but it is also expensive to maintain“”. There are lots of parallels. A used global 6000 costs about usd20 million now, probably around usd15 million in 2025. in my previous write here, i planned for. As RMAF is also interested in AEWC aicraft as well it is interesting to note that cost of the single Saab 2000 AEWC is (USD$160 million) somewhat comparable to the cost of a single Hawkeye based on the price of the four Northrop Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, around about USD$164 million each as ordered by Japan. The costs Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C is a complete AEW&C system with multi-role and multi-mission capabilities for both military and civil needs. My bad i mean before we are able to buy this platform cuz lets be real here, rmaf must prioritize other assets procument like LCAs, Uav, Ground Radar and nuri replacement programme first before they can turn their attention into aewcs platform..This priority procurement will at the very least take 2 RMK = 10 years to finish..But i cant deny that RMAF kinda in need of this awacs equipment.. @Joe – Noted on your POV regarding the F 35 but I will stay on the fence regarding the plane that can’t do anything right. Related products. LM states that it is stealthy but we don’t know if it is true or not and further more countries like Russia and China are constantly upgrading and creating new anti stealth radars to counter these so called stealthy aircrafts. Melayu Ketinggalan “LM states that it is stealthy but we don’t know if it is true or not and further more countries like Russia and China are constantly upgrading and creating new anti stealth radars to counter these so called stealthy aircrafts. As USMC operates ex UK Harriers and they wanted a replacement for it. Unless he has made mistake and owned up, I stand corrected. @Melayu Ketinggalan Poland also recently signed agreement to get F 35. To be expected given the scope, complexity and the various new technologies involved.”, Agreed. Saab Reveals New Decoy Missile for Gripen. usd 600 million for 3x erieyes No ….. But am not sure if this is enough or we still need to have secure encrypted national data links similar to the link 16 in the future. I believe we can get 2 sqn worth of LCA and 1 LIFT sqn. US$110-135 million (export price) The Saab 2000 AEW&Cairborne early warning and control aircraft is a variant of the Saab 2000 regional transport turboprop aircraft equipped with the spine-mounted Saab Systems Erieye PS-890 side-looking reconnaissance radar. In June 2006, Pakistan completed the purchase of six Saab 2000 turboprop aircraft to be equipped with the Saab-Ericsson ERIEYE Airborne Early Warning system. I don’t think we can ever afford the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye. Votre aide est la bienvenue ! Imo EA is a capability we need to have, in all branches of our military. ” Northrop Grumman has been awarded a $164 million firm-fixed-price MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING CONTRACT for a new-build E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft ”, ” …the total procurement cost for Japan for the four E-2Ds to $633 million, not inclusive of engineering and other related costs. Did you know that stealth coating is also expensive? “Stealthy aircrafts are needed for countries that wants to attack/invade other countries such as USA and its Western coalitions for oil and its mineral sources.””. Avionics: Rockwell Collins Pro Line 4 Engine: 2 X Rolls-Royce Allison AE-2100A Of course it is but we have no intent on buying it. “F 35 not only is prohibitively expensive to procure but it is also expensive to maintain especially regarding the stealth coating”. The order value is 1.553 billion SEK ($157.7 million). Did you like this article? 1 plane cannot be at 2 different locations at the same time. So while the F-35 has had a long and expensive development, it would not be accurate to attribute the additional cost to these problems. It is unclear when operations began with the aircraft, as neither Saab nor the Saudis will discuss the acquisition of these aircraft. Strange logic, but I want to ask you- where’s Australia? Malaysia does not need stealthy jet fighters as we want to only defend our air space from foreign threats. Singapore is getting the F 35. The major initial customer was Crossair, a regional airline which had Swissair as a 56% shareholder. Never mind the RSAF; the RTAF with its Gripen/Eriye combo is way ahead of us. Greece wants to get the F 35 to complement its F 16 fleet. common platform means What’s Behind Turkey’s silence on S-400 Air Defence System Test? You’ve made several assumptions or misconceptions about LO aircraft that are simple untrue….. “your last paragraph that in the end you suggest Malaysia doesn’t need the F 35”. Singapore wants it because it’s policy is to maintain a technological edge over its neighbours and going for the F-35 is the obvious step as part of its plans to take the RSAF to a new level by replacing what it currently has with something superior. Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C aircraft is in operational use in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Higher operating ceiling of 9,150 ma and increased radar output allows Pakistani Erieye AEW&C to detect both air and maritime targets much longer ranges then the first and second generation Erieye systems. Just heard from the Janes defence but il bet It would send to pakistan or South America IMO. New missile capabilities against bases and ships have prompted a move towards disaggregation and distributed operations. Hornet is 41 years old. Reply As you’re aware, we don’t buy high tech planes very often and whatever we buy we use for a very long time, so when we do spend money we’d have to make sure we buy something with high future-proofing. 5) EW jammer in the shape of global 6000 HavaSOJ. 1x global 6000 aselsan HavaSOJ airbone jammer system Interested in other products? Well, you claimed that stealth aircraft are very expensive and are not needed for all roles. Where are the USN and USMC F-16s? Required fields are marked *. If you like this post, buy me an espresso. Sur les autres projets Wikimedia: Saab JAS 39 Gripen , sur Wikimedia Commons Articles connexes Modifier Liste des avions militaires de 1970 à 2000 D'autres avions multirôle: Rafale , Typhoon , F-35 , F/A-18E et Su-35 Liens externes Modifier (en) « Gripen international » , Saab . The RNAF is trying its best to make the transition from a platform to a network centric air arm but as always funding is the core issue. Notably, Pakistan reportedly used their Saab 2000 EriEye to great effect during the recent clashes that lead to the downing of an Indian MiG-21. La Suède est équipée de 4 appareils de ce type, dénommés S-100B Argus et comportant un radar Erieye sur le dos. Saab 2000 AEW&C : Variante AWACS équipée d'un Radar à antenne active Erieye et de systèmes de conduite de mission associés. For me it’s surprising that the F-35 has been hit by various issues. – larger pool of pilots with similar certification. India Dumps Russian IL-76A-50EI AEW&C And Opt-in European Options The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), a state-run defence company, will convert six unspecified aircraft operated by Air India (AI, Mumbai Int’l) into airbo… Please enable Javascript in your browser for the best experience. Whether it’s a MBT, IFV, fighter or UAS; everything is getting increasingly expensive to buy, run and support; on account on the increased electronics/avionics/systems which all require their own test/support kits and a higher level of manpower to operate and maintain. First of all “stealth” (LO is a more accurate term) is not a panacea; doesn’t make a figure totally undetectable. The damaged aircraft were subsequently repaired and put back into service. Newer plane designs and tech have rendered these platforms to a somewhat disadvantage of today and in 15-20 years time, totally irrelevant at frontlines. 3 Saab 2000 erieye in 3rd batch 2020. costs USD160 million. Please would like to hear your thoughts on this. Because you depend so much on radar. F 16s as it is used as aggressors (painted in Russia camouflage) for training purposes. If you say no to F-35, what is your substitute for that? so for tudm IMO the priority until 2030 would be. In the first place, there was no “F-35 concept.” There was only the JSF concept which defined all the requirements, including the STOVL requirement, long before the competition was opened to Boeing and LM. It’s a combination of various things – not just the stealth coating – that makes 5th generation platforms expensive? © 2021 DefenseWorld.net - ALL RIGHTS RESERVED, Saab Delivers First GlobalEye Surveillance Aircraft to UAE, U.S. Arms Sales to Middle East Ballooned During Yemen War, After JF-17 Fighter, Chinese J-11B Jet could be next on Pakistan’s Shopping List, S Korean KF-X Jet Prototype Advances amidst Indonesian Uncertainty, Why UAE’s MQ-9B Armed Drone Purchase Should Worry Iran. They’re also F 16 user. There are 60 Saab 2000 aircraft operating throughout the world in France, … The Pakistani Saab-2000 AEW&C uses of new generation radar transmit/receive modules which generate around 60% extra output. This was accepted as the JSF was not intended to be the top end air superiority fighter and development problems with STOVL had not yet been encountered. 7) 2 more A400M from excess uk, germany or spain stocks. That usd164 million is an additional cost to an existing contract, not the total cost of that contract. It is based on the Saab 2000 aircraft equipped with Saab’s airborne radar Erieye and a range of other sensors. Anything and Everything on Malaysian Defence. Here's a selection. Thailand is hoping to upgrade the 340 AEW with new capabilities and control function in the near future. Saab delivered the first GlobalEye Swing Role Surveillance System aircraft to the United Arab Emirates on 29 April 2020. 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